the big story -- and this is what paul ferry, who i leak, he's done great stories, didn't get to, the big story at the time was at the white house, bush and cheney were perpetuating a gigantic swindle. >> the piece today, he points out the problem of any kind of journalist. if you're us autoing government sources to get to the real sources, even your favorites, the ones that are mavericks and honest with you, there weren't enough of them. you're not on the ground and looking around the spy agencies, the defense intelligence, a lot of those agencies like the c i'm a were skeptical of the war. maybe the top guy, george tenant wasn't. but the men in the troops in the belly of it were thinking about this war being b.s. >> yes, john wrote a subject about this and talked about the loneliness of being a new republic writer against the war. >> because there was a lot of push for word. >> and john was forced to write elsewhere about his doubts. but he was saying there were career cia, career state department people. there were cadres of people horrified of what was being done with their work b